In our more than ten years representing U.S. & Texas LawShield members, we have had plenty of experience dealing with what people have done to make their situations more complicated and difficult before, during, and after using force or deadly force to defend themselves. We call these situations “War Stories” or lessons learned.
Lesson 1: Road Rage
One of the most common circumstances where people get charged with unlawfully using force or deadly force is during a road rage situation. Believe me; we know that being singled out by a maniac driving a 3,000-pound deadly weapon can be terrifying. Unfortunately, it is usually the initial victim of the road rage incident who gets in trouble for his or her responsive actions. The best defense to a road rage situation is to remove yourself from the area. Speed up, slow down, change lanes, exit the freeway; just get away as quickly as you can, then call the police and report the aggressive, reckless driver. This is not about egos—this is about staying alive while staying out of legal trouble.
In the event you cannot get away, don’t be lured into responding with your own rage. This is especially true with regard to responding with a firearm. As long as the aggressive driver is not threatening you with a gun or is not attempting to get into your car or pull you out of it, do not show, point, or discharge a firearm. If the road rager is still in their car and you show them your gun, you have played right into their hands. They will now call the police and tell them that they minded their own business when a crazy person, YOU, pulled up beside him and pointed a gun at them. This is the ultimate form of road rage, getting you to respond with a firearm and then calling the police to report you as the aggressive driver.
Remember, if you are in your metal box, and they are in their metal box, the police and the prosecutors will believe there was no imminent threat of harm that necessitated a response with a firearm. Even if they were to bump your car, they’d claim it was an unintentional fender bender, and you overreacted by pointing a gun at them. Displaying your firearm is only appropriate as a last resort to protect yourself in situations where the other person has a weapon, or the other driver is out of their car and is attempting to get in your vehicle or remove you from it. It is a sad commentary on the world we live in, but to defend themselves against false accusations, more and more people are mounting cameras in their cars. This is not a bad idea and can certainly provide much-needed evidence in a self-defense case.
Lesson 2: Using a Gun Against A “Less Than Deadly” Threat
Another situation that can put people into legal hot water is when they display or discharge their firearm at another person who may appear threatening, but is not armed with a weapon. We have heard prosecutors say many, many times, “you can’t shoot an unarmed man.” Even though we all know that every year many people are strangled, maimed, or killed by criminals who did not have weapons, the police and prosecutors almost always assume the person with the gun is the aggressor when the other individual is unarmed.
It is important to remember that words, no matter how inciting and aggressive, do not justify the response of a use of force or deadly force. You must wait until you observe the manifestation of a physical act that constitutes a threat of unlawful injury before you can respond with force. Only when there is a reasonable fear of serious injury or death can you respond with deadly force. In many cases, this may mean that there must be physical contact resulting in injuries before a jury will find it reasonable that you shot and perhaps killed someone who merely threatened to “beat you up.”
Lesson 3: Talking Your Way Into Criminal Charges
Finally, many people who have used force or deadly force in self-defense have unfortunately talked themselves into getting charged with a crime. When the police respond to a scene, they are usually given very little information prior to their arrival. Remember, the police are there to investigate an incident in order to determine what facts will be turned over to the district attorney. The district attorney will file charges based solely on that information. Unfortunately, the first version of events a police officer hears will often be the basis of their working theory of the case. Many times in self-defense situations, the person who calls 911 will give their version first. In these situations, it is important to remember when speaking with the police and 911 operators that the facts you give are limited to those detailing the criminal acts of the other person.
We have seen situations where simply agreeing with some of the “facts” the police obtained from other sources can give the police enough corroboration, which can lead to you being charged. The police must know why you used your weapon before you admit to using your weapon.
As Independent Program Attorneys, we have seen and handled thousands of self-defense incidents, and use this experience on a daily basis to advise Members in both proactive and reactive circumstances.
If you have any questions, please contact U.S. LawShield and ask to speak to your Independent Program Attorney.
The preceding should not be construed as legal advice nor the creation of an attorney-client relationship. This is not an endorsement or solicitation for any service. Your situation may be different, so please contact your attorney regarding your specific circumstances. Because the laws, judges, juries, and prosecutors vary from location to location, similar or even identical facts and circumstances to those described in this presentation may result in significantly different legal outcomes. This presentation is by no means a guarantee or promise of any particular legal outcome, positive, negative, or otherwise.
Very informative. Thank you
You must remain absolute calm,composure and restraint, and definitely be Sober.
Observation: with all that is going on with the riots & the knock out game, it seems that most of these perps are going for the head, sometimes with something solid & kicking. There have been numerous instances where the victim received life altering injuries or death from these attacks. There is a fine line between being ‘beat up’ to serious bodily harm. Just like 9-11 changed the whole aircraft hijacking scenario, I think that these recent attacks have changed the narrative on weaponless attacks, especially on the old or handy caped. I realize that this is a grey area. Your thoughts?
I have a question. If you come across someone who is posing a serious threat to you, family, a 3rd party or even in the act of committing a crime (I don’t mean something small like littering of course), but someone getting beat up, robbed etc. Can you hold the person(s) involved at gun point until police arrive? Wouldn’t the police prefer you didn’t use deadly force if you could stop them by holding them at gunpoint while you’re on the phone with 911?
If you see someone enacting a forcible felony, you could technically get invloved.
Example: You witness someone getting kidnapped.
**The preceding should not be construed as legal advice nor the creation of an attorney-client relationship. This is not an endorsement or solicitation for any service. Your situation may be different, so please contact your attorney regarding your specific circumstances. Because the laws, judges, juries, and prosecutors vary from location to location, similar or even identical facts and circumstances to those described in this presentation may result in significantly different legal outcomes. This presentation is by no means a guarantee or promise of any particular legal outcome, positive, negative, or otherwise.
I believe this was covered in the conceal carry class (N.C.) I took. I would think you can find that answer on line for your STATE, or call a police department. Our Sheriffs are always happy to help in this area. Research should outline the circumstances to clarify your concerns.
You see this all the time in the Armed Citizen section of the NRA magazines but – if the guy started to leave you could not shoot. The window has passed so to speak and you and others are not then in danger. Get the book The Law of Self Defense Principles by Andrew Branca
Superb!….
Considering all of the Antifa, Black Lives Matter, and other terrorist activities, drivers turn a corner and have these violent mobs pulling people out of cars and causing grave bodily harm or death. Moreover, leftist prosecutors sympathies lie clearly with the criminals, not the law-abiding citizens. (Chicago prosecutor Kim Foxx refused to prosecute over 25,000 cases).
Now more than ever one must be careful and clear with their actions in that split second when they must act. Also having legal coverage from a reliable source like US Law Shield is vital for the aftermath. We all know how the Leftist media will portray events with intentional inaccuracy to fit their agenda.
1. Stay clear
2. Be aware
3. Be armed and practiced
4.Buy this insurance from USCCA
5. Call 911 and hang up before the other person. Call USCCA and wait for your lawyer to arrive
5. Polite to police, answer basic address, phone number then shut up. Your lawyer takes over completely!
So if a person has no weapon but tells me he’s going to beat me up or break every bone in my body do I have a right to shoot if he comes after me. I’m older so if a person does that I am in fear of my life.
Mike,
I’m 45 and 100% service-connected disabled veteran. Without getting into all the specifics, I have a neck/spinal cord injury. My doctors have told me, and it’s documented, that if I get punched in the head (or even rear-ended in a car), that I will, at best case, be paralyzed from the neck down – worst case is death. I treat any threat to myself as a violent threat – I have to. I make sure that I do not put myself into positions where a fight could happen. I don’t know how many times I’ve had to walk away, and look like a coward, versus staying and having to legally defend myself. Sometimes, it’s better to walk away. If you can’t walk away, you have to do what is necessary to protect yourself, within the law. It’s just my opinion. To touch on what you said, I would do nothing if someone threatened me. However, if they push it beyond a threat and try to assault me, I would use every legal means of self-defense to protect myself.
Why not apply the same logic cops have applied. The cell phone, book, hand looked like a gun, I was in fear for my life, so shoot the suspect x times?
My biggest immediate fear of being in a situation where I have a choice to pull my weapon to save a stranger versus walking away is the following: with so many amateurs buying weapons and getting carry permits in my area but not training and possibly being over zealous to use their new investment I would fear being mistaken as the aggressor by this type of individual. I plan to use my concealed weapon for my defense only under the current circumstances.
What can you prove in a courtroom, that’s what matters.
I am an elderly person. I own a gun because I’m too old to fight, and too slow to run.
I dont go out late at night and shop on line to the big malls. When i leave my house i am always armed and i have my US Lawshield card in my wallet.
Since you dont know me – and we cannot actually talk – I will provide my Certifications/Credentials:
– State and DHS Certified Firearms Instructor
– Certified Defense of the Home Instr
– Certified Range Safety Officer
– Still Certified but former State Conceal Carry Instr
– Weekly Combat Competition Shooter – 10yr now.
– Survived 3 Real Gun Fights
Some 99% of people I meet who own a gun tell me “I know how to shoot” – meaning they don’t need anymore
Training. And go on to show that by Not getting any “Real” Training.
I “Tell you Now” if Static Range “Target Shooting” is all you do to practice and you don’t get any Real Gun Fight Training – you will likely fail in a real fight. I know you don’t think so.
So believe “You” – with no training or Real Experience.
Or “Me” with 3 Gunfights survived and Several Certifications as above.
Whatever.
What is the difference btwn Range “Target Shooting” and “Combat Shooting” Training?
You see this all the time in the Armed Citizen section of the NRA magazines but – if the guy started to leave you could not shoot. The window has passed so to speak and you and others are not then in danger. Get the book The Law of Self Defense Principles by Andrew Branca
I live in Texas and i have a question. If you are a victim of road rage and they cut you off and slam on their brakes and trap you in somewhere you can not get away and they exit their vehicle and aggressively start coming at your vehicle and you have a dash cam to prove what happened. Can you get out of your vehicle and present your gun to defend your self because at that point they have you trapped and inside a metal box and you dont know what they are going to do. And basically tell them to stay away or you will take it as an aggressive action. And if they keep coming at you. Can you at that point shoot?
This is a great question for a U.S. LawShield program attorney. If you’re a member, please call our non-emergency line at 877-448-6839.